tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post8862457759630341899..comments2023-10-28T04:21:28.288-05:00Comments on Domus Aurea: On Teaching the TrinityJ Jorgensonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-34129868541826867862009-06-09T03:47:11.002-05:002009-06-09T03:47:11.002-05:00See my next post about this whole idea that someho...See my next post about this whole idea that somehow all of the Jews rejected Christ.J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-19377736341323549162009-06-08T22:26:19.452-05:002009-06-08T22:26:19.452-05:00supersessionism is an insulting name for covenant ...supersessionism is an insulting name for covenant theology, designed to create a gag reaction. We do not believe that the church supersedes the Jews, but merely that the Jews have rejected Christ and thus rejected God, since Christ is God. You cannot have the Father without the Son.Hamiltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-67757330057062442742009-06-08T22:22:40.119-05:002009-06-08T22:22:40.119-05:00Israel had a covenant with God, but they have not ...Israel had a covenant with God, but they have not held to it in 2000 years. There is no Temple, not sacrifices, no atonement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-70274637369305127342009-06-08T12:22:58.056-05:002009-06-08T12:22:58.056-05:00This view (that Pr. Lehmann is advancing) is calle...This view (that Pr. Lehmann is advancing) is called supercessionism. If you remember, David, I did a talk about this on the forum we belong to. If you want I can link you to it.J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-81024779645368026372009-06-08T11:51:03.104-05:002009-06-08T11:51:03.104-05:00I'm not jealous. You abrogated the covenant w...I'm not jealous. You abrogated the covenant when you rejected its fulfillment in Christ.<br /><br />I have the covenant. I am part of the Israel of God, just as every Christian is.Rev. Charles Lehmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09089242798450053313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-88548169411054888222009-06-08T11:30:40.093-05:002009-06-08T11:30:40.093-05:00Pastor, are you jealous that we have the covenant ...Pastor, are you jealous that we have the covenant with G-d, and we're his chosen people?<br /><br />It's ok if you are.DTBaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13213192400965296895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-58001293384978919442009-06-06T11:03:09.456-05:002009-06-06T11:03:09.456-05:00If nothing else, this discussion has given me a ne...If nothing else, this discussion has given me a new topic to blog about today: a commentary on 1 John, especially 1 John 2. After all, if it is being made to serve a purpose, let's see if that stands up to scrutiny.J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-71985373129229806502009-06-06T08:03:23.172-05:002009-06-06T08:03:23.172-05:00David,
When you pray that prayer, the true God do...David,<br /><br />When you pray that prayer, the true God does not hear you. You cannot worship Him apart from His Son.<br /><br />Satan delights in such prayer because it keeps you firmly in His grasp.Rev. Charles Lehmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09089242798450053313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-6511574835532829042009-06-05T22:31:27.093-05:002009-06-05T22:31:27.093-05:00Uh, Lehman.
Sh'ma Yisrael, Adonai Eloheinu, A...Uh, Lehman.<br /><br />Sh'ma Yisrael, Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai Echad<br /><br />Here oh Israel, the lord is my god, the lord is one.<br /><br />The most important prayer in Judaism, and as a Jew, I can tell you we don't worship satan.<br /><br />DIAFDTBaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13213192400965296895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-53637283201774996062009-06-05T19:56:44.630-05:002009-06-05T19:56:44.630-05:00Ihr habt beides Unrecht jedoch wichtiger ist es in...Ihr habt beides Unrecht jedoch wichtiger ist es in den Himmel zu kommen als Recht zu haben. Freut euch doch darueber.Nur 'n Huendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-7183356719161573432009-06-05T19:43:28.202-05:002009-06-05T19:43:28.202-05:00Unbelief is active worship of Satan. Everyone wor...Unbelief is active worship of Satan. Everyone worships something, and the true God, the Holy and Blessed Trinity, is the best option, and Satan is the other. There are only two.<br /><br />There's no such thing as passive worship of Satan. Ephesians 2:1-3 makes it clear that all worship of Satan is willful (walking) even if you don't know that's what you're doing.<br /><br />Rev. Charles Lehmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09089242798450053313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-7991668772262674692009-06-05T19:25:57.970-05:002009-06-05T19:25:57.970-05:00Again, I hold and affirm that salvation can only c...Again, I hold and affirm that salvation can only come from actively accepting Christ and His Gospel. The Law alone cannot save. Satan has clearly mislead all those who have not yet accepted Christ.<br /><br />But I absolutely reject that all Jews everywhere actively worship Satan with sufficient knowledge and full consent of their wills. <br /><br />Getting it wrong about Jesus does not equal <i>J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-74227719082153378672009-06-05T19:12:27.192-05:002009-06-05T19:12:27.192-05:00Oggie,
I think Saint John is perfectly clear. To...Oggie,<br /><br />I think Saint John is perfectly clear. To say that Jesus is not the Son of God is to be antichrist. Modern Judaism fits the bill. Whether modern Jews know it or not, they are actively worshiping Satan (as all who deny Christ do).<br /><br />This does not mean I hate Jews. I love them. I want them to repent. I want them to come to faith in Christ. I am a member of the Rev. Charles Lehmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09089242798450053313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-3148429001050070922009-06-05T19:08:40.911-05:002009-06-05T19:08:40.911-05:00As I said to you privately, St John is being twist...As I said to you privately, St John is being twisted here to mean we must hate.<br /><br />You are stating categorically that they of their own will actively worship Satan. I find that to be libelous. <br /><br />Show me one verse where it much more explicitly says what you have to otherwise twist Scripture to say. As NOSTRA AETATE put it none of what you say follows from Scripture.J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-65620042503309990742009-06-05T19:00:37.033-05:002009-06-05T19:00:37.033-05:00The road to hell is indeed paved with good intenti...The road to hell is indeed paved with good intentions.<br /><br />I have no doubt that the Jews who are actively worshiping Satan intend to worship the very God whom they've been denying for the past two thousand years.<br /><br />Intention does not equal reality.<br /><br />I'll just take Saint John's word on what's actually going on.Rev. Charles Lehmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09089242798450053313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-80027498051478424602009-06-05T18:56:38.277-05:002009-06-05T18:56:38.277-05:00same Christ you and I worship ... you can tell I a...same Christ you and I worship ... you can tell I am incensed, I am making many more mistakes than I normally do. ;)J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-28022610574444580142009-06-05T18:55:42.914-05:002009-06-05T18:55:42.914-05:00*Gasp in horror, of course*Gasp in horror, of courseJ Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-17473750460699644502009-06-05T18:55:05.326-05:002009-06-05T18:55:05.326-05:00Sorry, I do not see that as saying that Jews of th...Sorry, I do not see that as saying that Jews of their own volition intend to worship anyone other than YHWH. No Jew, none, goes into a synagogue intending to worship anyone other than YHWH.<br /><br />You tell me that the old Jewish lady who knows nothing of Christ, and certainly not enough to actively deny Him, goes into a synagogue and goes "Satan, I intend to worship YOU!"<br /><br /J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-19499172621383861202009-06-05T18:48:16.175-05:002009-06-05T18:48:16.175-05:00They get it wrong about Christ, but that does not ...<i>They get it wrong about Christ, but that does not to me equate to active worship of Satan.</i><br /><br />Actually, that's exactly what it equates to:<br /><br />"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also." 1 Rev. Charles Lehmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09089242798450053313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-46304237523657307712009-06-05T18:44:01.049-05:002009-06-05T18:44:01.049-05:00*invincible ignorance against them, it should say ...*invincible ignorance <i>against</i> them, it should say ...J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-61046434277214768032009-06-05T18:43:20.745-05:002009-06-05T18:43:20.745-05:00I think it a far cry to equate getting it wrong ab...I think it a far cry to equate getting it wrong about Jesus to actively bowing down in an assembly and crying out "Dear Satan, I sure am worshiping you!" I do not hold invincible ignorance them, nor does God forget His Promises to the Sons of Israel.<br /><br />They get it wrong about Christ, but that does not to me equate to active worship of Satan.J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-87526856505221573512009-06-05T18:41:49.026-05:002009-06-05T18:41:49.026-05:00More on the Jews:
As Holy Scripture testifies, Je...More on the Jews:<br /><br />As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.(11) In J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-45784702808181458712009-06-05T18:39:48.636-05:002009-06-05T18:39:48.636-05:00I agree with the Apostle John and with our Lord Je...I agree with the Apostle John and with our Lord Jesus Christ who both say unequivocally that one cannot honor the Father without honoring the Son.<br /><br />Modern Judaism denies that Jesus Christ, son of Mary and son of the eternal Father, is God, and thus they place themselves entirely outside of the cross and under the wrath of God.<br /><br />This places them firmly in the synagogue of Satan.Rev. Charles Lehmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09089242798450053313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-11279834666769412572009-06-05T18:38:25.235-05:002009-06-05T18:38:25.235-05:00Regarding side issues ...
I just hope you remembe...Regarding side issues ...<br /><br />I just hope you remember not to judge my people for being poorly catechised if your predecessors themselves could not do the job for your people. Moreover, your congregation, I daresay, are not alone.<br /><br />After all, even RJN has to explain to his own (former) people what the title of his "How I Became the Catholic I Was" means ... because he J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19852520.post-48706073148648423242009-06-05T18:35:33.314-05:002009-06-05T18:35:33.314-05:00That is something we passionately disagree on. Jew...That is something we passionately disagree on. Jews, as a group, at no time worship Satan. What individual Jews or Christians do I cannot speak to. Indeed there are some among those who call themselves Christians who say they are so, but who worship Satan, or Mammon, or whatnot.<br /><br />But as a group it is most categorically the case that Modern Jews have not stopped worshiping the same God. J Jorgensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407035318364016135noreply@blogger.com